標題: 8萬或8萬樓下有咩選擇? [打印本頁]

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-2 18:24     標題: 8萬或8萬樓下有咩選擇?

想換車.

求各位比下意見?

要求:
外觀型OR 小型, OR 斯文
唔太慢
2500CC樓下或慳油.
4座(接受到雙門, 但後座真係要坐到人)

最好有cruise control (定速巡航)


試過 TT MK2  2.0.  少放盤, 選擇唔多.  最大問題係後座差唔多坐唔到人.
323CAB  幾唔錯, 不過2500CC   同埋08年車居然都冇IDRIVE. (後期有, 但叫到12, 13 萬又OUT 晒BUDGET)
SCIROCCO 1.4  冇力, 好似仲慢過我現在果架.


今日下晝睇睇下見到POLO GTI, 都幾好WOR, 而且係4門

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作者: asian_xl    時間: 2019-2-2 19:00

Kia Morning Sport GT

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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-2 19:22



Polo GTI 買架全新都係 168000，買咩鬼二手，
新款係MQB底盤好好揸，試完車你就會明白。
同埋呢個世界無慳油好力呢回事，睇你自己隻右腳啦。

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-3 02:23



我都有諗過  上次比部morning 放左好遠   打左個突

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-3 02:24



Sor   冇咁多budget  同埋香港我唔會買新車   位又窄，d人又亂泊亂開門

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作者: trendhk    時間: 2019-2-3 03:20



16 萬唔係普通 Polo Sport 咩

香港無返新 Polo GTI

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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-3 10:37



係𡃓，168000係Polo Sport。

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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-3 10:49



Morning 你都接受到，SCIROCCO 點會覺得冇力？
VW 副 1400 TSI 幾好力

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作者: bighead    時間: 2019-2-3 15:30

揸開咩車？

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作者: fkjohnny    時間: 2019-2-3 16:41

香港哋有幾大? 點解要有cc係必要條件呢?

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作者: Mandom    時間: 2019-2-3 21:04

Lexus IS250 ?

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-4 00:57


what year ??


year 08 咁上下有諗過.  內龍我MAMA地...   太舊款.

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作者: jazz2014    時間: 2019-2-4 08:29

過氣TT 過下手就得 長用自己諗

現睇返D年份新小小哥露拿 jazz is 250 舊Camry 好過


一係粗粗地c200 不過都要08 09 先合到你筆直

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作者: wanch    時間: 2019-2-4 09:22

323i 10-11

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作者: rockie577    時間: 2019-2-4 10:09



E91 伏唔伏? 3系 WAGON 幾有型

(未買過R周車)

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-4 10:20




其實E90系列唔係好多車有IDRIVE咋喎, 同埋得8萬左右真係難搵到IDRIVE, 之但係果個年代既IDRIVE有咩咁重要呢?? 我聽過E世代有車因為IDRIVE死左整返太貴而劏左架車......
323 CAB係唔會慳油的, 本身硬頂CAB車就重, 323又一向都唔太夠力又唔太細食......車友早排放左架10/11年有IDRIVE既先係賣左岩岩6位數字, 油耗就......折完行公路多$2/KM咁上下啦~
另外有位世侄買左架前期E90 323, 19吋鈴起步大油都話無乜爆炸力, 油又係貴到嘔......自己諗~

如果VW副1.4T你都話唔夠力, 咁你要搵既就唔係2500CC NA/1.4T既車, 因為呢個級數你係一定唔會覺得夠力......我估計歐洲車你要買到新偈1.8T-2.0T先岩岩合格, NA車無返3000CC你唔使諗~ 而同時因為你有返咁上下力水上的要求, 一係你就買咁既偈但細架D既車(例如你講緊既POLO/GOLF GTI), 一係就唔好諗油耗(即係點樓長跑公路都預返至少$1.8/KM), 咁你會貼地好多易搵好多~

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-4 10:22




自從VW出左副1.4T偈, BENZ出左CGI果副1.8T偈, 同埋MAZDA出果副2.5 NA偈......
我信而家有汽油車可以稱得上慳油好力......但唔會係咁舊世代既車比人容易搵到出黎囉~

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-4 10:26




當你行公路想順利CUT線、小路出大路、係一個較高速度既情況想輕鬆超車......
甚至只係想係老龍上斜唔使高轉數先唔跌速跟得上前車唔使拉龍......
就會明白香港地揸車, 車重噸半內行NA偈無返2000-2500CC真係好難稱得上「夠力」
乜車都話好力果班一係就已經無晒要求(平路行得郁就=好力既心態), 一係就中完伏自欺欺人~

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-4 10:31



C200有車主同我傾開, 最好搵09/10或打後......
09年開始行CGI 1800 TURBO偈, 少D暗病, 同埋慳油D, FL後用埋7速就再慳油D同埋個籠靚D~
前期C仔係有通病同易有少少暗病~

IS250夠馬力唔太夠扭力......長行高速就好, 長行市區就易覺得硬係爭DD~
同埋IS籠溶起上黎嚇到你驚~

TT就......玩下算啦, 長揸好難搵到特別優點KEEP住佢~

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-4 10:40



用開車房用一般保養維修既角度比左個講法我......
E90用得咁多年, 點都有野要執佢一大獲, 包埋漏油又剩......
但買得E90系列盡量買返323/325I, 330或以上就最好唔好掂
唔係因為330有咩特別難搞既暗病, 而係330無乜雜廠件, 下下要買返正廠會貴一截, 想收我平D都唔得~
反而323/325I坊間有好多雜廠台灣件, 養落會平一截, 但點都唔會係去到日本車咁平價囉~
我識一個330車主當腳車用, 一年行一兩萬咪, 養左都5-6年, 人地答過我平均一年淨計維修保養就萬幾二蚊囉~

E91除左個尾箱大得黎個車尾算好睇之外, 有另一樣極吸引我......
就係有一個開得既大。天。幕。呀......!!!!

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-5 05:25



我渣緊330, E90
唔知你個朋友架車咩情況, 我渣左兩年, 除左門lock換左$900, 上下水喉換左$900. 其他都係換機油換水換波箱油就無喇.
以我所知台成個6HP19波箱都係$8000, 波箱valvebody連solenoid 連工都係$3000, 水箱水膽水泵又係連工$3000, ABS sensor $350連工一個, 你個朋友係比人水左定咩? 一件要保養維修萬幾兩萬蚊? 渣左5年架車咪要整成$10萬蚊? 咁都唔賣車咁過引?
我都想請教下有D咩件係325/323同330 共用唔到? 副n52出左名襟, 機器唔過熱根本無野好整, 仲有咩? 鮑魚碟330同325/323係唔同, 鮑魚會壞架咩? 塞死左都可以直上323/325去到335都得.
波箱同一副6HP19, 仲有咩? 唔識ebay? 330每過兩個月就一部湯出黎啦, 有咩件咁難搵同325共用唔到呀?

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-5 05:30


個idrive垃圾到連藍牙聽歌都做唔到, 要黎做乜? R波泊車去土瓜灣裝$500搞掂啦
一定要idrive, E60 兩萬蚊部idrive係標配
scirocco 1.4孖差 行7DCT 無力, 但323CAB 副廢柴版2.5加個弱智6AT就幾唔錯? 咩料呀

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-5 05:37

8皮野, 要晒你D要求, 得6代GTI架渣喎
要有力, 除左H 高轉vtec外, 所有NA 2500cc 內行任何波箱都唔會夠GTI 6DSG快
4門名啦, 斯唔斯文少唔少型呢D好過人, 我no comment
cruise control我就唔知有冇喇, 不過有都唔知要黎做乜, 香港地渣車有咩地方會定住個速黎渣多過5分鐘唔使落brake? 要穿洲過省咩...

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作者: sliva    時間: 2019-2-5 06:47

依個budget E92/E93 335i
2500cc同3000cc都係一樣牌費
如果N54 直6都唔夠力 仲有隻twinturbo
油錢同部E90差唔多 維修價錢同E92 M3差唔多
要平仲有大量台灣件 D人成日話寶馬漏油
因為機器太熱膠圈熔哂 一次過換哂佢無煩惱
當你用19吋起圍係慢dd , 但當你轉S +/-波 , 3波就超速
原廠垃圾idrive送比你都唔用 , 改個新板F系仕樣既大陸drive都係$5000左右

如果又想平又想慳油又想細cc 買部 Toyota hybrid 車,開Power mode
舊電仔即時比哂電力你,1800cc+馬達,只計(起圍/爬頭)同部2500cc差唔多

cruise control 我部 auris 有 , 我平均一日渣300km 使用率接近0

又要平又要正又想慳油,如果你搵話我知,我買

利申:我講過既車全部都擁有緊/擁有過

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作者: Earl仔    時間: 2019-2-5 15:06

其實有部LEXUS GS450H可以揀,係牌費多少少,但係慳油(8L/100KM)同非常之好力(345ps),油錢同我之前揸6代GOLF GT 差唔多

http://the-sun.on.cc/cnt/lifestyle/20090806/00491_001.html

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作者: hyperbola    時間: 2019-2-5 17:29

我部0手 2010/11 Lexus GS300 V6 engine.

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-5 17:51

Haha  答返各位師兄

1/cruise control:  我都唔講新果d 識啄住前車pat pat 果隻cruise control.  就算最basic 果隻我覺得都好有用。
例如行隧道， 前車行68kmh. 我會set 到65 咁上下。  到前面放得多少少就比油我到70, 72.  到差唔多啄到佢pat pat 我會鬆返油門。  部車會慢慢落返65kmh.   我渣車唔係全程都race mode, 有時都想放鬆下咁渣。  其實我覺得呢個function 好有用。   有一次我車屋企佢去機場， 渣足4 粒鐘車， 元朗， 屯門， 上水機場幾度去勻晒，你都咪話唔攰ar!!  Cruise control 幫到少少  叫做過好冇。

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-5 17:56

Idrive:
其實對於我呢d 想慳得就慳， 但又唔係勁到識自己篤電腦的人。 有idrive 幾好。
换完偈油 etc 可以自己reset.
同埋今時今日渣車連車電腦都冇。。。 你話感覺係幾落後？

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作者: yjfoeg    時間: 2019-2-5 22:30

本帖最後由 yjfoeg 於 2019-2-5 22:33 編輯

cruise control 同 idrive, 香港真係冇乜用
8皮budget有cruise control 同 idrive? 又話想慳得就慳, 但係咁低budget有呢啲...每年嘔多一皮整喎~


btw 可以考慮下Audi A1 S line / A3 1.8T / Golf Mk6 GTi
不過前兩者乾七自己諗

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-5 23:48



無idrive都可以做晒有idrive所有野架喎, 其實你知唔知idrive有咩用架?
8皮野係買D落後野架啦, 我覺得你係想架車有個mon仔係度扮新姐
大陸車機$199都有藍芽7吋touch mon啦
E90有idrive 9成9水貨買返黎我笑你買水貨添呀

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-5 23:52




    吓.. sorry我真係建議你再train下你自己隻腳先
隻腳正常係可以定住一個速度架喎平路, 渣車最攰唔係隻腳喎, 係個精神喎
你定住速, 要不時留意周圍發生咩事而去adjust個cruise control, 咁咪仲傷神

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作者: fkjohnny    時間: 2019-2-5 23:58




師兄,佢講既cc係指cruise control喎

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-6 12:03



你都幾得意  我想懶同都skills 有乜關係
渣幾年未撞過

你自己有科技唔識用叫人train skills 真搞笑

你可以話我懶  我認。  我都有會有渣快唔用cruise control 時  但唔係次次f 1 車手上身

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-6 12:07



Cc 已經解左。  你地唔用 or 唔覺有用唔緊要。  但我覺得幾好用

你d 提議我都有諗過
A1 冇興趣， 太細部， 個樣太女仔車。
A3  ok, 但13 年(好似係) 轉左款。。。  依家買部舊款覺得有d 舊。  但都會考慮。

其實golf gti 真係幾好。。。  但個款有dd mk  又或者講有d mk 仔渣到mk 晒。。 諗諗

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作者: lyh1993    時間: 2019-2-6 13:05


Passet CC 好野黎 幾型 mk不就見人見志
都係ea888 加濕6
仲豪過GTi

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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-6 13:13



如果楝 Golf GTI 可能要俾多小小買7代好D，
5、6、7代我都揸過，MQB真係Sharp好多。

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作者: yoyo348    時間: 2019-2-6 18:34



同意…TT真係唔可以同佢談情，都係Camry 實際，我老友部Camry 10年車都冇乜野整，同年份歐洲車，只大獲DD

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2019-2-6 21:14

本帖最後由 PPLd 於 2019-2-7 18:24 編輯

I am not sure if I read your posts right or not.
$80k apparently the car in my profile pic suits your need:
1. 280ps (old years) or 332ps (new years), FR double wish bone YES
2. i-drive with large LCD on dash YES
3. adaptive cruise control with lane departure warning can auto drive within 70km/h and fully brake to stop YES
4. you can even opt for hybrid or LWB with massage seats if you pay more

Adaptive Cruise Control with lane departure auto steering in operation:


Race car driver Keiichi Tsuchiya said during test drive that the car handle very neutral and cornering speed is insane fast for such vehicle.
I am no car expert and I drive slowly so I dont know.

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-6 21:57


完全唔明點解佢2 手價咁平??  
PASSAT 唔MK LA.



都係ea888 加濕6  <<<  咩意思??

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-6 22:00




golf GTI mk7  cheapest in 28car  is  140K
my budget only 80K,  sorry

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作者: lyh1993    時間: 2019-2-7 06:57


Passat cc 同 Passat 唔同加喎
EA888係VW 2.0T通用車頭
濕6係 DQ250 係濕式6速波箱 穩陣過乾式7速

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作者: DGCNYO    時間: 2019-2-7 10:39

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作者: lyh1993    時間: 2019-2-7 11:24


佢應該都算係老細車 坐過後坐都唔太差 但只係坐兩個 三個一定迫
呢部似係樹蛙有尾版
又有四門 又要有力 又要平係 gti同呢部
一係CL9 都有200隻 係尾期都岩岩10年車


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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-7 16:54



佢意思係同Golf GTI 同一引擎波箱

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-7 20:29


買計油都買到窮

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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-7 20:45



我之前架 Golf 5代 GTI Stage 1 都係5000km 1L，有限錢。

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作者: Yanek    時間: 2019-2-9 18:15

本帖最後由 Yanek 於 2019-2-9 18:19 編輯

回覆 1# sistinechapel

Just to share my ownership experience with both Golf Mk6 GTi and BMW E91/E92. All of them were well maintained, ie regular oil change, disc & pad change etc. No oil leak or any "known" problems when the car was sold. All the cars were not modified. Bigger wheels were put on just before the sale of the vehicle, ie to increase its appearance.

Golf 2011 GTi Mk6 (Bought new in Jul 2011, sold in Apr 2016, drove more than 64,000km)



During the 4.5 yrs ownership, full regular maintenance by VWHK. Extra repairs were:
1. Changed battery 2 times (battery was completely flat in both occasions)
2. Air Con pump failed in less than 2 yrs (Fixed under warranty)
3. Water pump failed 2 times (1st one was changed in the 2nd year, 2nd one was changed in just over 4 yr. Both were fixed under warranty)
4. Rear wheel bearing failed in 58,000 km
5. Roof lining collapsing in 3rd year

BMW 2011 E91 323 LCI Touring (Bought new in Apr 2011, sold in Aug 2016, drove more than 133,000km)



During the 5 yrs + ownership, full regular maintenance by BMWHK, extra repairs were:
1. Air Con condensation water leaked to the cabin in 1st year (Fixed under warranty).
2. Battery was changed in 100,000km / 4th yr as a preventive maintenance.

BMW 2010 E92 323 LCI (Bought 2nd hand in Oct 2016. Was 24,000km. Now 65,000km. Still driving)



During the 2 yrs + ownership, full regular maintenance by BMWHK, extra repairs were:
1. Cylinder 6 was misfiring slightly in 50,000km. All 6 Ignition coil and spark plugs were changed as a preventive maintenance.

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作者: wfcda    時間: 2019-2-9 18:42


Can I ask which of the three cars is most preferable for use and least chance of breakdown or high maintenance cost

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作者: PPLd    時間: 2019-2-9 19:00




    Thank you very much for your sharing.
Very detailed information for potential customers of VAG and BMW.

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作者: Yanek    時間: 2019-2-9 19:30



I have not experienced any mechanical breakdown on all them. The GTi brokedown because of the flat battery. Water pump was leaking so it was fixed before it was completely failed.

In terms of service cost, in order to keep the warranty, I found VW is more expensive, ie 10,000km or every 6 months. But BMW is 12,000km or every 12 months. Outside warranty, I think they are very similar. Both dealers offer discount for repairing old cars.

In terms of running cost, ie fuel, tyres and brakes etc, both of them are very similar. Maybe it is because of my driving style, I did not find the GTi nor E91/92 particular economical, ie average only 9.0-9.5l/100km for GTi, and about 10.5l/100km for E91/92. I live near GoldCoast, work in Central.

Between the GTi and E9x,  I would choose E9x LCI 323 (hence I am still driving the E92), but maybe a E90/E91 instead (more practical). LCI, ie 2010 onwards, is a must especially if it is a 323, ie better engine 190hp instead of 17xhp. I would not buy 335 (N54 and N55), simply because I do not need the horsepower, and it is not as reliable as the 323 N52 engine.

Sure GTi is more fun. If you want to modify, yes it has more potential. But there were just too much small problems for my Golf, ie water pump failed every 2 yrs...wheel bearing failure in just 58k...as a daily (15 - 20k a yr), reliability is more important...

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作者: Yanek    時間: 2019-2-9 19:40



One point I want to highlight is the aircon.

The aircon for rear passengers was weak for my Golf. I am not sure it was just my particular car. It has rear vent. But somehow the air was not flowing very well or not much coming from the rear vent unless it was on full which was too high and too noisy for people sitting at the front.

For the E9x, my wife and kids have no complaints

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-12 10:02




呢部GS450H我都好有興趣, 但搵過香港唔算好多用家分享......
搵緊都唔多敢入手......淨係知其中一個大缺點係尾箱相對同級好細~

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-12 10:13




可能係比人水, 我都唔敢講, 架車又唔係我既~
我自己假日車只係怕E90電子野易死要成日煩心去搞而唔考慮佢~
一般我認知果位朋友同果間車房, 好少整車果陣會成份大野換~
壞果樣就整果樣, 幾年前最初初買果陣有聽過話套絞牙唔岩330用, 淨係岩323/325果個重量用, 我就唔知岩定錯喇~
雖然我用過呢間車房一排, 都覺得佢越來越有D小問題而唔想再去, 但整車呢方面我同我朋友都唔係專業, 人地先係, 好難CHALLANGE人地車房~
我唔信, 咪走頭囉; 我個FD仲信佢, 咪留用囉~
波箱堆野咁平, 係劏件定係全新??
10萬8萬車價既歐洲車, 幾年維修整返個車價出黎我又覺得一D都唔奇既~
尤其係架車呢幾年少少地都行左10零萬咪......有叫過朋友換車但佢唔換, 有乜計?!

p.s.鮑魚真係可以壞, 我架日本車都壞過, 不過要整就未必係大事JE~

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作者: stevechau    時間: 2019-2-12 10:27




好詳細既用家報告......
因為你, 我願意重新考慮E91/E93

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作者: rockie577    時間: 2019-2-12 10:46

回覆 47# Yanek

Wowo..thanks for your experience sharing. Surprise to see the reliability of golf GTI even with DSG6 is that bad.

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作者: 實頭    時間: 2019-2-12 20:21

避震, 全線E90, E91, E92, E93 上至335下至320都通用, 平到bilstein B4連裝工都係$6K左右, 一D都唔比日本車貴
E90 電子野多但要壞零件一D都唔貴
波箱valvebody果D邊有新件架... 你話入邊D油壓膠就有新件, solenoid都有, 但valvebody就無囉. D湯車成架先萬幾蚊, 要甩副波箱一上一落有限錢啦

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作者: Yanek    時間: 2019-2-12 23:42



Good luck in finding the right car

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作者: wilsonx9    時間: 2019-2-13 10:59

本帖最後由 wilsonx9 於 2019-2-13 11:01 編輯



上一代寶馬 550gt
fb 見到有部放緊8萬
4400cc v8 斯文舒服 後座極闊 有定速巡航
好似完全符合你要求

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作者: sistinechapel    時間: 2019-2-18 01:13



https://www.car1.hk/news/volkswagen-polo-gti-2013-review/

13 年polo gti 係咪dsg 波箱？  好似話係好易死？

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作者: arrychiu    時間: 2019-2-18 18:21



乾7聽聞係比較多壞，不過我部2012/13 6代旅行車又無咩問題。

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作者: EdBigBull    時間: 2019-2-27 19:27

本帖最後由 EdBigBull 於 2019-2-27 23:58 編輯

玩唔玩 Saab?
SAAB 9-5 Turbo 4 for HK$68,000 https://hk.carousell.com/p/203283703

https://gocar2.com/products/view/MTA1OTc1LTU5Nw/Saab%209-5%20Turbo%204

via HKEPC IR Pro 3.5.2 - Android(3.2.0)

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作者: o_my_god    時間: 2019-2-28 09:59

GSE20 IS250
後座就睇你接受唔受到