標題: 理性分析 : 你會在9月30日之後才買iphone 4 嗎? [打印本頁]

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作者: calex7    時間: 2010-7-18 19:49     標題: 理性分析 : 你會在9月30日之後才買iphone 4 嗎?

本帖最後由 calex7 於 2010-7-18 19:51 編輯

我本來都話一定會買 因為iphone 4 因為真係好正 所以iphone 3GS已經放o左
但係宜家又到O左決擇O既時候
佢宜家送bumper 只係送到Sept 30,2010   
佢o係Press Con講可能會繼續送  "又可能佢地會有更好的主意(BETTER IDEA as Steve Said in the press conference)"
我相信BETTER IDEA 好有可能係HARDWARE層面真真正正解o左個antennagate呢個問題...."係好有可能"
(因為佢如果9月30日之前都SOLVE唔到呢個問題  佢一定俾人笑到面都黃 兼且 會令消費者對日後O既iphone失去信心 影響深遠....)


咁如果話俾你聽9月30日之後會買到一部完美o既iphone 4  你宜家仲會唔會買iphone 4呢?
要注意o既係到你下年有機會放機o既時候  iphone4生產o既week number將會有分別
我都係苦主 習慣O左用iphone(from iphone 2g to iphone 3gs for 3years)
但我唔想買一部有缺憾o既機  我寧願等....9月30日  apple o既BIG SUPRISE!!!!

當然如果你相信9月30日之後apple都解決唔到antennagate呢個問題  咁你去買啦 早買早享受麻....

P.S. : 好多人話宜家批iphone4 已經係改良O左(就算係都只係一個temporary solution, not  a fix to the root cause)  所以我覺得未係真正改良, 如果APPLE  APPLYo左呢個咁Major 同Critical o既change ,  我相信Apple一定會向外公佈

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作者: Cloak    時間: 2010-7-18 19:57

本帖最後由 Cloak 於 2010-7-18 19:58 編輯

I heard that Apple actually solved the problem already
Reports said that newer iphone 4s have a thin layer of insulating material to prevent the "death grip" issue, eliminating the need for a bumper case. The only question is only how durable can this material last...

So I don't neccessary think we even need to wait until Late September to be sure, in fact, it seems safe to buy the first batch of iphone 4s in the official HK release.

p.s. Be honest, you have 30 days full refund from Apple(they promised it, its the best that they can do), and a free bumper case before Sep 30, why not give it a try if you are already considering the phone beforehand?

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作者: jzu    時間: 2010-7-18 20:20

我又諗到D好狗既招, 既然佢有得試30日, 點解唔係9/30 號前買部黎玩下
然後退返比apple, 再另外買第二批貨呢? (假設第二批一定好過第一批)

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作者: phantom8    時間: 2010-7-18 20:24


This was only a rumor before SJ Press Conference.  If it were true, he would have mentioned it in the press conference.  Can you imagine what would have happened when people find out Apple has already fixed the Antennagate and didn't say anything in the conference.  Apple will lose all its Credibility and nobody will trust them ever.

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-18 20:34

香港都有30日咩？
btw
早買早享受

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作者: G-核戰機    時間: 2010-7-18 21:23



改左設計咁係唔係IP 4.5版本?

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作者: Man X 690    時間: 2010-7-18 21:32

而家都係諗緊9月30前定後買
老實講我有無問題都會用套，但如果9月30後解決到天線問題既話感覺好似好好多

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作者: calex7    時間: 2010-7-18 21:58



緊係啦
一部有缺憾 一部冇
一部可以祼跑 一部唔可以
一部買O左番黎俾人笑  一部唔會(睇人啦  我介意俾人笑LOR)
以上係假設我估O岩O左APPLE會做野....當然佢唔做野  我地就白等兩個月
理性話俾我聽係要等的....

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作者: jasonc    時間: 2010-7-18 22:07

傳聞27周/以後既機已經fix左個問題,大可以放心買,我會一出即買,希望apple store有得賣

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作者: mouseman    時間: 2010-7-18 22:17

Use a 3M sticker can isolate the antenna la

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-18 22:19

今日又有朋友講我知入左英國ip4，sales黎成日講電話，同以前3GS一樣咁用，唔覺有問題，話你的人多X餘．．．

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作者: rabbit82047    時間: 2010-7-18 23:23

好似大家都假設左 apple 一定已經解決左問題咁

當然我都係其中之一

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-18 23:25




渲染誇大，不計其數，身邊用緊既朋友，全部相安無事

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-18 23:44

回復 13# cranberry

I think iPhone 4 does have some signal issues.   Steve Jobs had already admitted that.   It will only have serious problem when you are in a poor signal strength area and holding that grip without using the bumper.   AT&T (the sole carrier in US for iPhone) is well known to have poor performance.  Due to the poor network performance, dropping calls also happened in iPhone 3G/3GS.   However, I think this will not be the same in HK if you use Smartone instead of 3, PCCW.

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作者: rabbit82047    時間: 2010-7-18 23:49

回復 14# mflam2004


    難得爭論靜左少少, 而且呢個POST 本身唔係討論天線問題, 唔好多一事...

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-18 23:50



I also aware the factor of AT&T.  No one really grip that spot hardly for a long time in daily use.  If you simply forget that spot and use it normally like my friends, there is no problem at all.

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作者: kaho0808    時間: 2010-7-19 01:29

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-19 01:40



你朋友可能較幸運。
http://gizmodo.com/5586256/is-ap ... ng-the-iphone-4-now
新機銀邊已絕緣，Apple口不認，行已動。
另一樣記招認左既有個貼面感應器，新機都唔同左。

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 06:56

本帖最後由 mflam2004 於 2010-7-19 07:25 編輯

回復 18# 棋靈王~藤原佐為

It is still a rumor, and Gizmodo can't find hard evidence on that:

http://gizmodo.com/5587029/iphon ... ome-readers-confirm
   
Quote:
"We are in the process of meeting with Mitchell and other readers to test their phones. So far, one of the readers who claimed he couldn't reproduce the problem, was mistaken: Trying in our Manhattan offices, we reproduced the problem right away. Our own replacement—obtained on Monday 12 at the Fifth Avenue store in New York—still has the same antenna problem that all iPhone 4s have."

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 07:55

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 08:03 編輯



係朋友"S"，我唔係得一個朋友有ip4
重有，要clarify，你特登去死攪爛攪果個gap，signal係會drop (新iOS4就show到，訊號格既問題，唔明既就check舊post），但係我的friends(日本香港台灣)冇斷線，正常用你根本就唔會咁做，係完全冇問題
Moreover，check mflam2004's reply about gizmodo，係rumor only
好多人成日齋信rumors + 睇野睇一半唔睇一半(anantech's articles就係經典，正變左反)，就係問題所在，呢樣野我已提過好多好多次

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作者: FeverZzz    時間: 2010-7-19 08:10

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作者: ayasetom    時間: 2010-7-19 08:28

未必會9月30買~~但唔會第一批買~~
等各位ching review 先買~~

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作者: DanielHO    時間: 2010-7-19 08:55

http://www.invisibleshield.com.hk/tcn/product/apple-iphone-4/1618

貼左會唔會解決訊號問題呢?

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 09:29



That's why I have a strong feeling that the new generation is lack of self confidence.  They concern too much on how others look on you.

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作者: 飛機信    時間: 2010-7-19 09:45

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作者: x-9394    時間: 2010-7-19 09:46




    f_ _ _ing poor generation

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 09:57

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 09:58 編輯


驚俾人笑既野其他人已回應，細路仔係咁
另外關於city super既問題，其實呢個社會有唔同既層級，消費力，生活模式同life style
如果你住凱旋門，下面淨係得city super，咁咪去city super買餸，再唔係咪叫賓賓去遠的既街市買，當你有經濟能力時就唔覺得有乜野咁特別
印度貧民區既人夠覺得香港人大魚大肉匪夷所思
不過，好多有錢人都會去食街邊魚蛋粉

OH, 樓主sorry，搞到你篇post 9唔搭8
我唔會等9月30日後，冇需要，一部電話我唔駛唸得咁辛苦，想用就買

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作者: palmtree    時間: 2010-7-19 09:58

高科技消費者  歷來做過 多次 白老鼠, 付出多多成肚氣 !

相信 還是  iphone 4 大量販賣時 , apple 追隨者 入市才是時機 , 除非同錢有仇的人除外

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 09:59




   Should be fine if it cover the metallic edge

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作者: doomsday    時間: 2010-7-19 12:38

咁9月前買左 玩陣退返佢囉...
無緊要嫁

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-19 12:58



咁其實成單野都係Rumors姐，Apple都冇承認過條Gap會drop，係唔係咁解。
有趣有趣

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作者: Savio    時間: 2010-7-19 13:32




    如果側而既物料同正面既係相同的話, 應該唔得, 因為正面貼左之後如果佢阻隔到你手指......即你個touch screen 會用唔到.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 13:45



你有冇覺得自己好小朋友行為，我明明唔係咁講，你就扭曲人地既講法，然後再加上一的取笑既話語，whats your point?

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 13:59

本帖最後由 dragonken 於 2010-7-19 14:01 編輯


咁其實你都有問題, 比人激得兩激就話人地係小朋友行為...

What's your point here?

佢雖然係語帶取笑, 但你可否直接回應佢問題?

"咁其實成單野都係Rumors姐，Apple都冇承認過條Gap會drop，係唔係咁解?"

個人覺得佢問得有道理, Apple 無承認條天線 gap 係設計上的錯誤.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:03

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 14:17 編輯


因為我想話佢知佢好小朋友，呢個係重點
唔駛一定直接回應佢既問題，佢係想聽定想取笑，完全睇得出

棋靈王~藤原佐為: Apple都冇承認過條Gap會drop
dragonken: 個人覺得佢問得有道理,Apple 無承認條天線 gap 係設計上的錯誤

兩句野又係兩碼子既事,所以我話你地成日一個傳一個,係扭曲既能手

又其實，你地冇人事網絡既咩？點解唔問下你身邊買左 ip4　既朋友，攞第一手既資料？

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-19 14:16

本帖最後由 棋靈王~藤原佐為 於 2010-7-19 14:17 編輯

無啦啦話人地小朋友，okok，我都知你有好多人事網絡用iPhone 4！

幫你總結一下啦：
全世界話iPhone 4收得唔好，都係誤信Rumors。
佢係一摸到就Drop, 但日常用係冇事架！唔會Drop Call的！
我身邊好多朋友(s)都冇事！係你班人小題大造
（Apple自己都認Drop得多過3Gs bor老友）


你將你身邊d朋友s/人事網絡 ＝ 全世界

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:18



咁你咪搵自己既人事網絡去問，攞下第一手資料，thats the best

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 14:22



"咁其實成單野都係Rumors姐，Apple都冇承認過條Gap會drop，係唔係咁解?"

係? 定吾係?

點解吾答?

反駁應該係堂堂正正反其論點, 而吾係轉移視線或人身攻擊.

佢係吾係小朋友根本同佢問的問題無關.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:26

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 14:31 編輯


你究竟要我答乜，定係你冇睇清楚成條thread，我咪講左的事實出黎（以下），想再清楚的自己去問applecare，好過我答你，好似欠左你咁，莫明其妙
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/redir ... 40&pid=23309907

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作者: cs_csw    時間: 2010-7-19 14:26

我搵到個用條key　short埋兩條天線signal會drop的youtube
但人手個電阻高咁多，又會唔會有事？

用手包住成條天線果個問題，只要係內置天線就會有ga la,乜機都係，無得唔認

sj　只係認左個大家都會有的問題但無解釋返short埋兩支天線個問題，好９

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 14:28



According to the press conference, iPhone 4 does have reception problem.  But largely exaggerated by some media.  Also reception problem is common in all smartphone.  And Apple fixed the problem after production week 27 is yet to be confirmed.  Gizmodo get a so-called fixed unit from customer but find out the problem still there.   Accordinly to consumer report, this problem can be easily resolved by using the bumper.

These are all the "fact" so far.

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-19 14:32

本帖最後由 棋靈王~藤原佐為 於 2010-7-19 14:35 編輯



你d人事網絡 ＝ 第一手？
Youtube, 外國Forums User comments = 第二手？
不過我唔係想質疑第幾手做point。

只係你既理據圈子（取樣）實在太細。
即使你身邊有N個朋友用緊iPhone 冇問題, 網上都有更大堆人，係有問題既。
片又係，用後報告又係，apple表示有300萬人既0.55%（佢地真係用家）投訴，即16500人。
如果實際冇影響通話，呢萬幾個用家打去做咩？ 為嘈而嘈？

htc亦都同時公佈左佢地既投訴天線／通話數字係遠低過iPhone 4

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:33

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 14:40 編輯



I don't know why you always like to rollback all conversations although all things have been mentioned and answered

HTC got better numbers.  Yep, even better than 3GS.  Good, I congrat that they produce good products.

But when you compare the statistics of 3GS versus 4, it reveals that all problems were exaggerated.  The truth is not so serious.

When we talk about cases like that, we always use percentage.  Because its more meaningful to quote the actual numbers.  Its the concept of quality assurance.

Since the web exaggerated all problems, I trust the experience of my friends better than those rumors.

Or you simply want to be the last one to reply.  OK, if so, you win.

I won't translate this reply to Chinese.  Get it or you don't.

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 14:43



> Accordinly to consumer report, this problem can be easily resolved by using the bumper.

點解用 bumper 可以解決到問題? Apple 有無解釋?

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:46

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 14:49 編輯


Because bumper can further shield it from human body.  If you can wrap the phone by a large piece of plastic like your butt, I bet the receiving power will be even better.

As I can recall, Apple didn't explicit answer this by one sentence, but thats about the whole conference has explained and answered all the questions.  So strange, why you always say Apple didn't explain this explain that?

mflam2004, you can provide your supplement.

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作者: 艾飛塔肥    時間: 2010-7-19 14:47

如果真係解決到 應該會重新考慮
冇理由買部講唔到電話既手機

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-19 14:49



算啦，唔好問啦。
佢真係好有趣，冇人叫佢Translate，佢又無啦啦話自己唔會Translate。

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作者: rt    時間: 2010-7-19 14:49

回復 1# calex7

回樓主的提問，小弟有以下睇法：

如果唔等住換機，其實個人傾向9月30日後再決定；一來，如果真係有改良版而又可以解決問題，咁就唔駛後悔買了一部公認有接收問題的機種而揼心口；二來，就算真係冇改良版，最多就只係蝕了個bumper case (都係有限錢)，如果本身唔buy 個bumper case 就更加冇所謂啦... 況且到時坊間又會多了很多其他選擇 ~  

當然，有些心急人事想快d 擁有的話，就不妨出機(仲有bumper 送！)  

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:50

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 14:53 編輯


You bring this up and together with dragonken, you force people to answer you although I don't owe you anything.  If so, I still hope I have answered your questions now.

Yep I won't translate, glad that you can get that.

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 14:51



Apple did not explain on that as this comment is from Consumer Report, not Apple.

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作者: rt    時間: 2010-7-19 14:52


Better read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/38 ... s-ios-41-signal-fix
It's Physics... nothing magical really...

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 14:56



You can still make call with iPhone 4.  IPhone 4 will drop call only under these 2 conditions together:

1. The signal strength is poor in your area, and
2. You are touching that grip when making call.

Only these 2 conditions are met, you may have drop call problem.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 14:56




    Should be both conditions fulfilled.

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作者: rt    時間: 2010-7-19 14:58


According to the reports, this only happens when you're holding with the "death grip" in low signal coverage areas... the phone is fine in the normal signal coverage areas... this happen to all smartphones, but not as severe as iPhone 4...

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作者: rt    時間: 2010-7-19 15:00

回復 52# mflam2004

Ha ha, c hing replied already (much quicker than me) ...
Anyway, let's hope there'd be good news towards end of September...

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 15:01



Finally again theres another person makes sense.

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 15:02



Right, both condition at the same time.   

That will be the dumpest man on earth if u know that the signal strength is weak, still holding tight to the grip without using a bumper, and try to make a call.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 15:05



I think there should be something missing in those flies, otherwise they should able to understand the picture.

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 15:36



> Because bumper can further shield it from human body.  If you can wrap the phone by a large piece  ...

呢個係你估姐, CR 話貼膠紙都可以解決問題. 點解? 因為貼膠紙 cover 左個天線 gap. Apple 無解釋到呢個問題, 點解? 因為天線 gap 係佢設計上的失誤佢吾想提.

> As I can recall, Apple didn't explicit answer this by one sentence, but thats about the whole conference has explained and answered all the questions.  So strange, why you always say Apple didn't explain this explain that?

你有冇睇哂 press con? 我搵吾到佢有解釋.

係 press 裡面有記者問點解 single touch 個 gap 都可以引致到 signal drop, 其他電話要成隻手包住先做到近似的效果?

Apple 答非所問.

講求獨立思考的你呢 d 你又吾問點解.

我問呢個問題就係想帶出點解 apple 連咁簡單的物理問題都吾敢直接答.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 15:43

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 15:47 編輯


You can raise up other thousand of questions that have not been answered in the press conference.  But doesn't mean Apple was not addressing the issue.

Did I watch the press con?  Please check this
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewt ... age%3D1&page=11

I have answered everything I wanted.  I understand the whole logic and the severity of the problem.  I am thinking completely independently.

Interpret in anyway you want.  I am getting iphone4.  Because I know it has no problem for daily use.  Proved by all evidences and the REAL user experiences of my friends.

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作者: 棋靈王~藤原佐為    時間: 2010-7-19 15:48




可惜EPC冇得Like，今天見識到“眾人皆醉，唯我獨醒“

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 15:52

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 16:15 編輯


If I am easily affected, then you can still say I have no independent thinking.  So no matter what you still want to say this, unless I agree with you whose without first hand information.

If you look back the beginning of this conversation, its obvious I have better independent thinking than you.  You believe in a non-verified, non-first hand rumor.
"你朋友可能較幸運。
http://gizmodo.com/5586256/is-ap ... ng-the-iphone-4-now
新機銀邊已絕緣，Apple口不認，行已動。
另一樣記招認左既有個貼面感應器，新機都唔同左。"

You are backed up by dragonken that questions should be answered directly but not diverted.  Unfortunately you diverted twice too, or you two simply got double standard.

http://www.hkepc.com/forum/redir ... 40&pid=23311113

Or you like to stop here,  I prefer this, enough typing.

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 21:24



Press conf 裡 SJ 話
"The Bumper solves the signal-strength problem"
- Consumer Reports

個外露天線 gap 位係成件事的 focus, 話用 bumper 可以解決問題但竟然完全無解釋點解, 就咁將個波推去 CR 度, 完全沒有解除用家的疑慮.

CR demo 左貼膠布都可以解決問題, 點解 apple 吾送膠布?

我並沒有故意列出千千萬萬的問題, 但我看到的是 apple 故意回避問題.

Apple 話佢地係 engineer, 用左吾知幾多錢的 lab 去 test 去試天線問題. 但面對記者的提問只是輕輕帶過, 沒有正面去解答個問題:

Ryan from gdgt: "You showed people almost covering the entire phone in their hand, but on the iPhone 4 it can happen with just a touch. Can you explain that difference?"

Bob: "When you touch the phone, you put yourself between the signal and your phone, so when you touch that spot you can attenuate the signal, and if you grip it with your whole hand, you can attenuate it even more. We don't build phones with an antenna on top..."

gdgt: Hmm, that didn't really sound like an answer to us.

個 difference 係邊度? 答非所問.

我假設左你係理性, 不容易被人誤導, 有獨立思考, 呢 d 全部都係你主張的.

你又話你有睇哂個 press conference,
apple 真係係度講出問題的真相, 定係係度做 show 拉埋其他人落水以解被人指責 design flaw 的困局. 你無理由睇吾出.

講真如果 apple 肯講出事實真相, 我反而 buy 會考慮去買 ip4.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 22:09

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 22:22 編輯


Very good, thanks for your information.  You have done your work, much better than that Japanese name user.  Now we can talk.

Phone not perfect.  So do iphone4.  The gap is weak spot.  Apple confessed that it was a problem, same to many other smart phones.  Bumper can cover it to solve the problem so do the case.  If you want more detailed technical explanation, yes, not mentioned in the press conf.  But as an audience, I got the logic.

Yes, Bob's answer not good enough.  I agree with that.  That's why hes not Steve.

But it didn't change the overall picture.  For daily use, its not a problem.  So is it a design flaw?  Or its a technical compromise, trade off for thinness? Depends on your point of view.  Otherwise, ip4, with additional LED, dual camera, Gyroscope and accelerometer, larger battery, will only be a bulk version of iphone, look like a over-diet fat boy.  You may say its only my personal taste, but yes, I prefer the current design.

Most importantly, the "problem" is not severe.  The strongest proof is the return rate.  If the phone is so non-usable, if I am the user, I would immediate return it.  But no, its not happening, why?  It must be good enough for users not to return it.  What does it mean?  That means the problem is exaggerated.

Most importantly, I verified the severity with TRUE users around.  I know its not a problem.  The phone is a master piece of art.  If people gives it up for an exaggerated minor technical compromise, what a pity.  But still, you have choice not to buy it, or bring it back after you bought it.

To further bring it forward, being technical aggressive is consistent to what Apple always doing.  From iMac without floppy to firewire to mini-display port to HTML5, there are much more other examples.  Being innovative always take risk.  Some choices died, some choices harvest.  But this is the core-value of Apple.  Otherwise Apple is Microsoft/HP/IBM only, not Apple.  I have enough MS/HP/IBM already.  No, I want to keep corp like Apple in this field.

I hope the whole thing is solid enough.

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 22:20



無論係 design flaw 定係 trade off for thinness, SJ 你講一句就可以了.

兩個答案我都接受, 講事實便可.

但 apple 扯埋其他品牌落水, 動機何在?

事實的真相在那?

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作者: cheapman    時間: 2010-7-19 22:23



動機在於模糊化問題核心
將說話講得好聽 但其實並沒有誠意

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 22:25

本帖最後由 cranberry 於 2010-7-19 22:31 編輯


Otherwise how can Apple explain the weak spot is a universal industrial problem (which further proved by other testings, some appeared in this forum).  You suggest another way.

"SJ 你講一句就可以了." <- see?  you begins non-reasonable again once I put you under the wind.  Thats why I always feel some users here don't want to listen.  They just want to win.

Do you know how can our conversation cross over?  Ask your iphone4 users around.  Get first hand opinions.  How do they feel and comment their phones.  Can they use it.  Do they want to return it.  Then we can talk again.

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 22:40

回復 67# cranberry

> Otherwise how can Apple explain the weak spot is a universal industrial problem (which further proved by other testings, some appeared in this forum).  You suggest another way.

How can you conclude the spot is an universal industrial problem?

I am not SJ, don't redirect the problem to me! Please ask SJ to brain storm why users complain ip4 antenna.

> "SJ 你講一句就可以了." <- see?  you begins non-reasonable again once I play you down.  Thats why I always feel some users here don't want to listen.  They just want to win.

I don't know what you mean. Please explain. Don't try to fool me or redirect the focus!

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 22:49



well, you post a very very long conversation. pls give me sometime to reply.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 22:50



Isn't it enough?  I wrote a very long paragraph covered the whole logic plus additional information like core value of Apple.  I think my arguments are much more fruitful and all rounded than yours.   All important questions were answered.  You feel not enough?  OK, but I can't feed you anymore.  How long do you want to drag me until you feel that you win?  OK, to comfort you, you win.  Quite tired today.  Dismiss.

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-19 22:55



That's good and bye. Nice to meet to you...

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 22:58



Ok, handshake.  Sorry if my tone is too harsh.  Lets put it in another way.  We'll know more after HK launch.   Then maybe you will start like it.  I really hope so.  Its a master piece of art.

Let's take a rest, its been a long day.

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作者: rabbit82047    時間: 2010-7-19 23:06

回復 71# dragonken


    見你得到咁既回覆, 有D哭笑不得

I feel sorry for you ......

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-19 23:14




    Please feel sorry for me too (and be fair to me).  I have typed a lot already.

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作者: rabbit82047    時間: 2010-7-19 23:25

回復 74# cranberry


    你個回覆真係幾 harsh

不過你講左好多, 同意既有, 唔同意既都有, anyway, we got it, everyone got it

不過 SJ 就係 SJ, 無論鐘意定唔鐘意佢就係佢, 再討論都唔會有咩結果

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-19 23:37

回復 75# rabbit82047


SJ is quite a controversial person.... Love him or Hate him......

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作者: mocha_boy    時間: 2010-7-20 00:06

理性分析？我覺得係自尋煩惱！做人簡單０的啦！

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作者: dragonken    時間: 2010-7-20 00:12



he said he feel tried. It is not good if he need to wake up again at midnight and reply forum posts...

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作者: wkc02    時間: 2010-7-20 00:13

治好你的 iPhone 4 天線門病毒
http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/ ... 598&tid=4475907
http://antenn-aid.com/

or waiting for next version of iPhone4(iPhone4G).

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-20 00:14




    Not sleep yet, but soon.  Hey, sorry for my tone, but I think you got all my meanings.  Sometimes this forum is quite messy and I can't identify who is kid and who got points.  So good night!

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-20 00:19

回復 80# cranberry

But kids are the majority here.

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作者: Rhinoceros    時間: 2010-7-20 02:12

我會...不過都係一兩年後xd
雖然4多左好多其他電話一早有既功能xd
不過主要電話接收咁大問題, 不如等下一代好過
而且3GS都未玩厭, 唔會咁快換

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作者: Rhinoceros    時間: 2010-7-20 02:13

我會...不過都係一兩年後xd
雖然4多左好多其他電話一早有既功能xd
不過主要電話接收咁大問題, 不如等下一代好過
而且3GS都未玩厭, 唔會咁快換

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-20 14:56

Dragonken，想知訊號問題可以參考以下，佢地仍在討論當中
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdet ... 7&last=21061256

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-20 15:52

回復 84# cranberry


That site has more mature discussion.  Unlike here, with all the kids crying for apple to apologize, with Apple did not cause them any damages.

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-20 16:05



Yes, somehow more real engineers and executives there.  It reveals that HK may have serious competitivity problems in next ten years.  I hope I am wrong.

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作者: mflam2004    時間: 2010-7-20 16:07

回復 86# cranberry

I have that feeling long time ago when I was recruiting new staff.

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作者: windydos    時間: 2010-7-20 16:26

我會等下先...我唔急...

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-20 16:48



Hey dragonken, I think I got your points, but actually I already gone through all these in my mind before you spoke out.

I really appreciate users at another side so I have no need to type again.  These are my thinkings:
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdet ... 97&p=4#21063015
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdet ... 97&p=3#21058565

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作者: rabbit82047    時間: 2010-7-20 21:02

回復 89# cranberry


    mobile01 兩位都講得好啱, 或者話好現實

我又分享下自己意見

對於 apple 今次個記者會
相信主要應該係想制止不滿情緒蔓延, 撥亂反正
成唔成功, 仲要日後數據證明, 所以宜家都冇咩好爭拗

其實個人覺得擺係 apple 面前迫切需要解決,
反而未必係所謂既天線問題, 而係 iPhone4 既供貨問題
特別白版iPhone4, 聽一D報導話, 白版需要既 glass, 產量只有 4/hr
相信冇公司面對咁既產量會開心得起

至於天線問題係唔係好嚴重, 一定會影響iPhone4 銷情?
唔多唔少應該會有, 但未必會好大,
好玩既就係, 有用戶係天線問題之後要求 Apple 提早推出 iPhone5
而唔係轉投其他廠商

其實 apple (SJ) 從來都冇掩飾過要賺取最大利益, 呢個亦都係支持一間商業機構發展既原動力(之一)

或者 apple 一向表現得我行我素, 所以先引起比較大既爭議

咁其他企業係唔係好好?
舉個例子: Android open platform?
事實上 Google 從 linux 取得佢需要 source 之後, 就冇回饋 source code modification
Don't be evil? Open?
以上只係例子, 唔係針對 Google/Android (Question only, not judgement)

以上純屬個人, 唔認同請插 (細力少少...), 不過我都唔會太多回應

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作者: cranberry    時間: 2010-7-20 21:12



師兄有做過research，同意，well done！

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作者: kasterli    時間: 2010-7-21 10:14

但佢又唔回收，出部無問題既，之前買左果 d 實嘈