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作者: duoshock    時間: 2008-10-13 23:32     標題: olympus 特別之處?

我想玩DSLR好耐喇,但係一直都未買,等去旅行前先買
呢家等緊D90番貨,應該都會買佢的.
但當我見到Olympus部E-520就比佢外形吸引住

平時見到Nikno canon d機都比Olympic大d
點解O記可以做到咁細部? 連佢d鏡都細枝d
佢用3/4格式,咁Nikon DX係唔係大D?

O記比其他牌子有咩及唔上? noise? 鏡貴?
同埋想知副廠有冇出o記鏡?

新手問題多,只想買機前了解多d
唔該各位ching

[ 本帖最後由 duoshock 於 2008-10-13 23:58 編輯 ]

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作者: Nutshell    時間: 2008-10-13 23:39

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作者: 新遺失戰艦    時間: 2008-10-13 23:40



AF 快只局限E-3 + SWD
銀圈仲貴
E-3 有5FPS, 算唔錯啦~

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作者: Nutshell    時間: 2008-10-13 23:44

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-13 23:45



我用左om 5年, 好滿意

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-13 23:46



我就係覺得om 既色水好岩自己口味

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作者: 新遺失戰艦    時間: 2008-10-13 23:47



你指連拍定係對焦?

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作者: Nutshell    時間: 2008-10-13 23:48

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作者: duoshock    時間: 2008-10-13 23:51

連怕我唔太介意的,因為小用到.

咁如果新手,買邊部om好?
有冇平鏡可以玩住先?

咁om鏡實際焦距係咪要x2先正確?

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作者: cybersam    時間: 2008-10-13 23:55

olympic ...應該係olympus...

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作者: Nutshell    時間: 2008-10-13 23:57

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作者: humar82    時間: 2008-10-13 23:59


如果要輕, 520+1442+40150都已經好夠用
如果搵啱地方買, 應該六千都買到

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作者: duoshock    時間: 2008-10-14 00:02     標題: 回復 10# 的帖子

已改, thx

呢家好矛盾,我鍾意細部d
但又想有較強既功能
Nikon多鏡玩, 但大部
OM細陪, 但鏡貴
好難決擇

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作者: Nutshell    時間: 2008-10-14 00:04

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-14 00:07



我覺得一分錢一分貨

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作者: 拉薩    時間: 2008-10-14 00:09

om d 鏡唔貴
40 -150 $900-1200 @taobao 個range80-300mm
14 - 54 $34XX  個range28-108mm
70 - 300 $2750  個range140-600mm
12 -60 SWD $68XX 個range24-120mm
etc.....................................................................

[ 本帖最後由 拉薩 於 2008-10-14 00:13 編輯 ]

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作者: humar82    時間: 2008-10-14 00:09


買D90
遲d olympus出m4/3先再買, 玩雙system

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-14 00:12



14 - 54 同 50 macro 呢兩支鏡真係好正

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作者: hollandcheung    時間: 2008-10-14 00:13



但係好少貨, 周圍都冇 om 鏡賣

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作者: 拉薩    時間: 2008-10-14 00:15



14 - 54 防水滴防塵,對焦反應快,淺影深幾得

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作者: 拉薩    時間: 2008-10-14 00:16

星際2樓,cmk,百老x 都有

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作者: duoshock    時間: 2008-10-14 00:16

回復 14# 的帖子
Canon單鏡暫時唔會考慮,唔係話唔好
但係我心目中佢太商業化
(但事實上有邊一間唔係商業化 )
無心挑起罵戰的,各有所好

回復 15# 的帖子
同意的,但新手立場,緊係想唔比太多野但又玩多d野

唔該晒咁多位ching,我再睇多d網再決定

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-14 00:17



反而1260我覺得麻麻, 變形得好緊要下

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作者: johnnylth2    時間: 2008-10-14 00:29


7-14
呢支~正啊~直嫁~

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-14 00:32



呢支真係買唔起喇
1122 都好滿足了

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作者: 新遺失戰艦    時間: 2008-10-14 00:32



除左fish eye, 呢支應該係最wide 既一支Zoom Lens

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作者: johnnylth2    時間: 2008-10-14 00:42


係~只係佢係4,唔係2.8
但係講質數,佢好過14-24

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作者: lsman1    時間: 2008-10-14 03:04

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusE520/page32.asp

not a bad review... but not great..
cp it with others and take it on hand and see if you feel like it.... be a smart buyer.

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作者: kalok.wong    時間: 2008-10-14 05:13

用om最好係JPG已經有十分好的成像,唔駛下下用RAW去搞.另,om的liveview已很成熟,和你用DC分別不大.
入門三鏡:14-42,40-150,35macro,每支都唔駛2k,但絕對有質素.
可以的話用14-54,$3k4左右,絕對推介,性價比極高!!!
e520缺點係viewfinder細,暗位對焦都係差點,同無原裝直度

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作者: kalok.wong    時間: 2008-10-14 05:27

睇om的sample
本地可去 www.omuser.com
不過我推介你睇大陸和台灣的,精彩得多
大陸可去 http://www.four-thirds.cn/
台灣可去 www.mobile01.com
強力推介,神人級 http://www.olddo.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=3983&extra=page%3D1

小弟的 http://fotologue.jp/#kalok

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作者: licgfg    時間: 2008-10-14 07:36

om鏡通透,我幾鍾意
但4/3既話真係零興趣

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作者: lsman1    時間: 2008-10-14 08:56




技術好,知道鏡的強,弱點而好好去拍

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-14 09:17

借過e420黎玩... 個VF真係好細... 睇到標眼水...

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作者: kowloon    時間: 2008-10-14 10:41



咁如果唔比較FPS, OM的入門機 D 色都靚過CAN0N機王啦~~~~

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-14 10:51



really?

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作者: 小康    時間: 2008-10-14 11:02



你比O大條LINK佢睇  好易死人

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-14 11:22



olddo 好特別mei? 小弟新手一名。

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作者: ZakuJunior    時間: 2008-10-14 11:31

我都用緊E520, 係非常滿意!

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作者: kowloon    時間: 2008-10-14 11:42

色水的比較都是較主觀的... 但一般來說, 人們都認為OM直出JPG的色要比較好!!

不是CAN0N不好, 只是要用RAW或後製

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-14 11:45

shooting jpg is like shooting film then develop 3r then throw away the film.

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-14 11:52


shooting jpg simply applies some post processing to the image on camera bodies (the saturation, contrast ...etc setting)
i don't deny canon's default setting has lower contrast/saturation but it leaves you more room for post processing, jpg with high contrast preserves relatively less detail... some OM users claim that it is easy to be over because of the high contrast default setting...
if you need colorful direct jpg output from canon, you can simply set it in picture style... you can find its color is not worse than OM's

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作者: 小康    時間: 2008-10-14 11:57



大大  我才是新手一名吧

olddo老師在O記界頗有名的   在台也有開班授課

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-14 11:58



ooo first time hearing.

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作者: kowloon    時間: 2008-10-14 13:29




if someone gonna PP, he must use RAW, in this situation, I don't see any different btw OM/Can0n as both of them contain the same "raw" information from CCD.
(in short, the raw information from Can0n's CMOS did not contain more information then another brand's CCD/CMOS)

So the way Can0n's default is lower contrast / saturation did not leave "more" head room for PP.

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-14 14:17


LOL... please read my reply carefully...
"jpg with high contrast preserves relatively less detail"
if shooting raw, you can change such attributes as you like without degrading the image quality...
the BETTER color of OM is just because the DEFAULT SETTING is more vivid for direct JPG output only...
maybe, i am a new hand, you think i don't understand... haha
anyway, each brand's sensors and lens groups have their characteristics...
it's difficult to say one is better than another...
"咁如果唔比較FPS, OM的入門機 D 色都靚過CAN0N機王啦"
i can't agree with it...

[ 本帖最後由 initials 於 2008-10-14 14:25 編輯 ]

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作者: toracat    時間: 2008-10-14 16:29

我又吾覺得C記D相detail過O記喎...

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-14 16:40


LOL, PUSH CONTRAST AND YOU WILL SEE DETAIL IS LOST

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作者: toracat    時間: 2008-10-15 00:56

推contrast lost detail 我都知..
我係話om直出jpg D相我吾覺得detail會比C記少

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作者: Tef    時間: 2008-10-15 01:03

我覺得佢地d機真係為一樣野而設   
影動物
點解?
細sensor:
crop factor大 乘出尼倍數高
sensor細, 同一focal length, 鏡可以細d,  外出一流
sensor細, 低光noise多但預你日光日白去影郊外 所以無問題
防水防塵 去到非洲都唔係問題
晒到行反差大但OM 藍無乜問題

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 02:07



for most of the wildlife, they start their activity in the early or late hrs of the day. not in the middle of the day. so u need high iso performance.

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 03:29

大家都有機有相, 靚唔靚, 一齊上圖比下lor,

睇下o記色有幾靚, c記低光有幾勁lor.

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 03:45

haha, 唔講唔知 o記低光都有一定威力ga

o記有比較平價既f2大光圈大炮, 加上is , 加上深d景深,全開光圈唔怕d野out哂focus,  低光下夠哂威力,

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作者: Catfish    時間: 2008-10-15 03:57

最期待 Macro 3/4, DC 仔的大小, 又可以換鏡.....

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 07:29



canon or nikon also have f2 tele primes, and don't forget since u have a 2x crop factor ur safety shutter is 2 times that of nikon and canon (since both system has ff cams)

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作者: albert    時間: 2008-10-15 09:25



咁低光拍攝唔一定要開盡光圈, 提高ISO/落閃/落腳都得. 其實這個究竟係優點定缺點?  我反而聽過OM用家話較難製造淺景深效果. 不過4/3系統X2黎遠攝又真係幾好

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 09:34



我都知間間都有f2炮, 不過你自己上網睇下c記200 f2is 幾錢, 同o記150mmf2 幾錢sin , 因為兩者價錢係有一段好遠既距離, 仲有就係睇睇兩者既重量又係有一段距離.

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 09:39


LOL... did you see OM users in olympic games reporters?

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 09:42



well yes, om's f2 lens might be cheaper and lighter but u forget that low light will force u to need a higher shutter speed and that means theres alot of times where u will need iso 1600 + to freeze action even if u shoot f2. and i dont' think om's iso 1600 is really usable.

do u ever really shoot low light things or indoor sports?

[ 本帖最後由 inzite 於 2008-10-15 09:44 編輯 ]

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 09:49



說明一點, om淺景深既深d,唔係冇,

簡單d講:
o記既低光拍攝, 就係入支大人一級既大光圈,
其他brand就提高一級ISO.

當然o記iso又差人dd, 所以就咁睇, 其實兩者又差唔多,

不過如果考慮到如果需要景深深d, 咁有時其他brand要收dd光圈保持景深, 而o記咪唔洗lor,

再講如果係低光環境,又需要景深, 咁你係唔係諗到d野呢?

可能有人會提問低光環境,又需要景深, 有幾可會影ar? ,
咁我都想問返一句, 成個畫面淺到得返幾個% in focus 又有幾可會影呢? (當然4/3既大光圈都可以做到啦).....=,=*唔係微距

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作者: toracat    時間: 2008-10-15 09:51



Reporters D 器材係呀公架麻..價錢吾係一個考慮因素..
我諗用過OM既人都知OM有好多缺點, 但佢都有可取既地方..
每個品牌都有強弱, 就算CN亦然

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 09:54

please see

http://www.dc屋.net/viewthread.php?tid=575389&extra=page%3D1

http://www.dc屋.net/viewthread.php?tid=573221&extra=page%3D2

http://www.dc屋.net/viewthread.php?tid=574282&extra=page%3D1

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 09:56




完全agree

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 09:58



i agree that om's advtange is the lower cost compared to maybe high end nikon or canon gear. but i just find it funny that some people praise om just because they chase the brand like a cult.

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 09:59


LOL... it can freeze action but... do you find it really good?...
see the color... that's BETTER OM color?
i think the color maybe degraded by the color noise...

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 10:06



oo so i went to all three links, also looked at exif for link 1 and 2.. iso 400 at f2 with shutter 1/800 to 1/1000 is not really wat i would call low light.. link 3 is not really freezing action but rather panning.. yes panning is great but it doens't show ur point.

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 10:12

this is wat i called low light
iso 6400, f2.8, 1/800


iso 6400, f2.8, 1/1000


iso3200, f1.4, 1/80


iso 1600, f1.2, 1/15


iso3200, f1.2, 1/640


iso3200, f1.2, 1/125


iso8000, f2.8, 1/40


[ 本帖最後由 inzite 於 2008-10-15 10:20 編輯 ]

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 10:29



尼d野每個brand都有啦, 有幾多人真係了解個系統而買?

不過反轉諗, 其實只focus係output-即係出尼既相, 而唔需要確切了解部相機, 會唔會咁先係好呢?

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 10:31



to get the photo u want, u need to understand ur tools on ur hands.

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 10:35



HAHA, Olympus can do noting in "no" light  LA

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 10:36


for beginners, it's right, as they don't know how to choose...
after using for a while and understanding the features and limitation of their equipments, they would try to understand more before further purchase or even switch to other systems...

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 10:40



我意思係了解都有好多方式, 唔一定數理化咁了解,

可以從感覺去了解佢既特性, 咁都可以係一種了解。

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 10:43


attributes of the equipment affect the output...
you can feel and purchase but the purchase may not be as good as you felt...

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作者: inzite    時間: 2008-10-15 10:48



should be the outputs maybe not be as good as when u feel the body :P.. haha

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作者: toracat    時間: 2008-10-15 11:18

呢個post越講越遠...
本來想講下OM有何特別,
依家就變成OM既特別之處就係冇咩特別.....

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 11:57


for me, 4/3 system is relatively smaller DSLR...

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 12:46



你咁諗又未免太過器材主義la,

如果你既出品係表達感覺, 咁任何野都可以表達, 就算一支筆畫畫, 就算用電腦畫., 講近d, 現今各dslr, 講真有咩野係影唔到呢? 上面所講既低光拍攝, 4/3都可以, 一樣好有feel.

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-15 12:59



for me, smaller size is not my concern.
i like om because of the color tone.

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 12:59


if the object you want to shoot is static or in bright light, it works...
if you want to shoot something moving in low light while you want to freeze it... you need better equipments...

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-15 13:03



agree, but i cant afford this

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 13:13




haha you may need a better 視野 first.

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 14:20

just depend on your own style...
people like taking landscape/ static things do not really need big aperture and usable high iso...
bring a tripod and everything will be fine...

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作者: Tef    時間: 2008-10-15 15:01


有呀 已經唱緊正面  只不過真係特別之處只限我講果d

註:我係大sensor主義者

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 15:05




當你懂得看見事物既優點, 咁所有野都變得有用, 但當你執意得看事物既缺點, 咁所有野都變得冇用lor.

至於是否4/3冇big aperture and usable high iso? haha, just depend on you lor.

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作者: Tef    時間: 2008-10-15 15:07


講真有咩野係影唔到呢?  <--- 我用om影唔到noiseless夜晚人像 無左果種好silk smooth 既feel 以你所講一定係我技術有問題?

刀都有分幾十種 唔同用途啦  唔通又話牛油刀切唔到牛扒係技術問題啦喎  
有時d野係叫physical limitation, 做唔到就唔到 (我唔係話技術唔重要 只不過器材一樣咁重要)

註: 我唔係話特別踩om 只係唔想又一個亂吹 神化一個system 既post又出現  另d新仔以為某某system係無敵

[ 本帖最後由 Tef 於 2008-10-15 15:10 編輯 ]

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 15:22


i can't say OM doesn't have but... it's really weak point of OM...
however, the BIG aperture is not really big compared to C/N's prime lenses.
the high iso performance is really worse than C/N... especially OM doesn't have FF sensor...
i did say i find OM's good point is smaller in size... but the low light performance doesn't worth to be proud of...
i do agree it's not necessary to freeze action in low light
i like long exposure too, but if i want to freeze, i really need real BIG aperture and good low light performance



[ 本帖最後由 initials 於 2008-10-15 15:23 編輯 ]

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 15:23





人有限, 物有限, 想像無限, 何必往牛角裡鑽呢?

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 15:30




如果 high iso performance 是 low noise, then you right, om weak is high iso.
但如果多noise會係一種效果, 會唔會有另一種睇法?

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 15:34


LOL... noise is easy to add but difficult to remove
why not having a cleaner picture, and add the noise if i want to...

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 15:41



haha you get my point  la , there are many way toward target .

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 15:47


the point is OM's low light performance is really worse than C/N...
a picture with less noise is more welcomed than one with more noise...
you can easily add some noise to it, but difficult to reduce noise...
you may say having more noise is more artistic... but... not me and people need better high iso performance...

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作者: 小康    時間: 2008-10-15 16:06

相比較下... 高ISO/NOISE問題... 的確是OM的相對弱項

再就這點爭論落去  也是沒完沒了

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作者: toracat    時間: 2008-10-15 16:36


高ISO/NOISE問題....Sony同OM暫時都未及CN...
呢個好多人都知, 吾須要爭論
Sony, Pentax同OM 都有各自特點係其他冇, 所以先可以生存.
吾同機fit吾同人...對我黎講OM最岩我...that's it!!

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 17:23



你的意思是愈來人認同就是愈好, 而你亦喜好這種"跟潮流"??


難怪香港都市的藝術水平一直是這樣了,

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 17:25



haha, 每次一講om...4/3, 永遠只有尼個話題,

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 17:28


it's not following the trend but image with less noise is more flexible...
we are trying to have as less noise as possible... anybody steps down and use ISO1600 in day time to obtain the noise or oil paint?... i guess no much people would do so always...
if noise is not a problem, why the company spend so much to develop better sensor and processor to produce image with less noise?
by the way, why not showing us some of your high iso great work by OM? huh?

[ 本帖最後由 initials 於 2008-10-15 17:32 編輯 ]

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 17:39



靚相就冇啦, high iso 既noise and oil paint 相就有d

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作者: thk17    時間: 2008-10-15 17:42

O記 好似唔夠N, C牌多鏡GA可?

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作者: HenryxHenry    時間: 2008-10-15 17:42

e-500+30/1.4  iso1600, nr off

haha超粗粒粒

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作者: initials    時間: 2008-10-15 17:46

so... what do you want to express with the noise? is it better than less noise?

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作者: hkepckk    時間: 2008-10-15 19:01



死喇, 我覺得接受到喎, 最多加一野neatimage