標題: Magic TV有幾好用，點解賣咁貴？ [打印本頁]

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作者: friendhtc    時間: 2015-7-21 20:39     標題: Magic TV有幾好用，點解賣咁貴？

仲貴過雙tuner機

(Sent from HKEPC iPhone app)

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作者: bluejays    時間: 2015-7-21 21:09

你用過就知佢幾好用啦!

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作者: 七彩小生    時間: 2015-7-21 21:12

Until now.  iDTV is meanlingless to me.  Always use MagicTV recording function

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作者: lamtsai    時間: 2015-7-21 21:25

回覆 3# 七彩小生

TRUE,當然前提係樓主如果無收費電視,可能MTV對佢用途又無咁大

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作者: LJ1320    時間: 2015-7-21 22:46

MagicTV好穩定

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作者: Offer    時間: 2015-7-21 23:33

回覆 1# friendhtc


    你用過就知佢幾好用啦!

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作者: kofz    時間: 2015-7-21 23:49

咁貴都大把人買，因為好用，哩個就係產品既價值，道理同iphone一樣

冇人買既先會減價求售

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作者: Offer    時間: 2015-7-22 09:22

回覆 7# kofz


    所以我也推介呢隻，但千萬不要介意佢遙控及火牛易壞


利申：已經有兩部3000及一部7000D

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作者: longun    時間: 2015-7-22 09:23

本帖最後由 longun 於 2015-7-22 09:25 編輯

如果平時唔錄電視，其實有 idtv 已經夠
如要就非常好用喇，我都係近半年先用，以前我都唔信，用過之後呢

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 09:40

回覆 1# friendhtc


廣告唔洗錢俾架？？

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 09:44

回覆 7# kofz


直情勁過iphone,iphone都要年年換代升晶片縮身改芒改鏡頭，MagivTV呢件土炮由2007到依家都係大金剛巨無霸晶片差唔多既高科技！！

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作者: NeTZoO    時間: 2015-7-22 11:24



賣得貴,只有呢個原因?
其他牌子落廣告唔駛錢定係無落廣告所以平?

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作者: jimmychan    時間: 2015-7-22 11:32

The best set top box. I bought two of them.

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作者: hs008    時間: 2015-7-22 11:43

from 7000D upgrade to 8000D.........

this is money well spent..........................................

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作者: charcsc2000    時間: 2015-7-22 11:57



你當佢係一部錄影機就足夠..
仲可以手機預約錄影..
仲未計佢可以玩埋steaming...

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作者: goodman85    時間: 2015-7-22 12:02

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2015-7-22 13:15

本帖最後由 pc1668 於 2015-7-22 14:17 編輯


如果唔錄電視，有 idtv 真係已經夠。
我很少即時睇，日日錄低晒啲節目，然後任何時間想睇，先慢慢睇。
所以部3800D要7x24長開，不停咁錄、錄、錄 ...
亦有人基本上完全唔睇電視(越來越多)，莫講magic tv，甚至連idtv都唔需要。

本人一直使用電視錄影機多年，從來沒有停過
VHS recorder -> DVD recorder -> HDD recorder

轉magic tv之前是用AKAI HDTV recorder。其實AKAI都唔差，用左近乎4年HDD先死(日錄夜錄)。
然而，magic tv個OS真係最好，最完善。部3800D都買左年幾，已經冇保了 ... 驚驚

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作者: traveller    時間: 2015-7-22 14:00

用慣睇慣左, 知道咩節目有幾長廣告, 每次直接按4或5分鐘再跳一下, 真係一滴廣告都唔駛睇佢呀~~

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作者: normalyan    時間: 2015-7-22 14:06

回復 1 #friendhtc

No locks on recording, can play files on PC... great EPG and other functions... nice quality pictures, etc...

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 14:53

本帖最後由 cyleung19 於 2015-7-22 15:08 編輯

回覆 12# NeTZoO


我唔知，我淨係知通常AV野愈多水位，Sales一定愈落力賣，尤其土炮野！！！

兼且，我俾唔起電費養呢部Linux高科技長著做TS file capture同HDMI reencode既所謂錄影機囉！

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作者: wklie    時間: 2015-7-22 14:57

There are now energy saving standby modes.

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2015-7-22 15:02

本帖最後由 pc1668 於 2015-7-22 15:04 編輯


俾唔起電費養 ...
要多少電費

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 15:03

回覆 22# pc1668


你得閑計計佢點用電啦！！

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2015-7-22 15:08

本帖最後由 pc1668 於 2015-7-22 15:18 編輯


assuming the energy saving standby mode is disabled (yes, i've disabled it)

wklie bro, could you help us to calculate the electricity cost per month (using 3800D run 7x24 as an example) ?

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作者: longun    時間: 2015-7-22 15:12

一只 S 牌NAS 咁上下啦
我用 3000 拖只3.5 hdd 應該 30火多少少，唔開機都嘥 15火，如冇記錯

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 15:19

Anyway,MagicTV既成功點都一定係斤廿年香港數碼AV奇芭！！！

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作者: wklie    時間: 2015-7-22 15:27

本帖最後由 wklie 於 2015-7-22 15:30 編輯


Using a Brennenstuhl PM230 meter I measured MTV3800D recording to its internal HDD takes a little less than 20W.

MTV3000 did consume more power because its CPU was generations older.

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2015-7-22 15:33



i..c

I've a asustor 202TE of which the power consumption is about 19.7W (operation).  So the 3800D is more or less the same as my nas

Thanks a lot

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作者: EOS5    時間: 2015-7-22 15:36

MagicTV o係我黎講最重要一個功能，係其它牌子取代唔到，就係內置剪片功能，因為部機係買黎俾屋企老人家睇電視用，但佢經常要去阿哥屋企揍孫睇唔到電視劇，所以就錄起等佢得閒時睇，我會將所有節目剪走晒廣告，等佢可以舒舒服服一氣呵成咁睇。

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作者: charcsc2000    時間: 2015-7-22 15:39

本帖最後由 charcsc2000 於 2015-7-22 15:40 編輯


唔好傻啦..magic tv 都有standy mode...
隨時同你部idtv差唔多...

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作者: simontang    時間: 2015-7-22 15:40

本帖最後由 simontang 於 2015-7-22 16:46 編輯

老牌香港廠老的技倆....
廠家故意訂個高貴價錢而已. 用料不是最好, 但有水準. 用個訂價令客人覺得是好野. 又可以賺深d...
以前做過間叫..x雅典的抽油煙東西...跟本是台灣oem, 幾舊水買進...賣3.4千元, 人地別的牌子spec.好過佢多多聲, 都係賣2,3千.
這樣說明生意佬是幾奸呢~
樓主你懂嗎!

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 15:45



不過唔到你唔服佢呢部高科技真係賣足咁多年，多得一班"忠實支持者"啦！！！

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作者: goodman85    時間: 2015-7-22 16:15

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-22 16:22




    Try developing some code on that settop box then start complaining some company selling their product at a price.

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作者: simontang    時間: 2015-7-22 16:56

本帖最後由 simontang 於 2015-7-22 16:58 編輯


我現在用8仔舊款內置hdd, 可以standby mode 訂時record, 想換機, 想問下有無其他品牌的TV box可以standby mode 訂時record呢?

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 17:33




  大把！

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 17:38

本帖最後由 cyleung19 於 2015-7-22 17:43 編輯



你咁講咪個個都要識晒Linux,Perl先上得網？

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作者: NeTZoO    時間: 2015-7-22 17:50



講到magictv咁差，其實有無一二部機好介紹先？

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-22 18:04




    I am just saying don't underestimate how things were being made.

A lemon some sugar and a cup of water with ice does not worth much, a cup of iced lemon water in a local restaurant does cost.

And growing lemon, sugar and getting clean water and ice are hard job.

Don't take it for granted things popup nowhere.

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作者: wklie    時間: 2015-7-22 18:20

Unlike many other STB in the market, Magic TV is not OEM from some lost-cost brand-less manufacturers.  Magic TV develops its own hardware and its firmware.

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-22 18:30



老老豆豆，我有讚佢架！！

不過呢，其實SigmaDesign本身都有RefDeveloperKit既，所以當年開始玩
出STB時MagicTV同Picazzo咪好似孖生囉！！！

問題係，當年賣幾千8年後又係賣幾千，而街邊一部iDTV就平左七八成既時候.....

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-22 19:19




    Come on, developer needs to buy food, so does the company needs to pay rent la.

Tho, I strongly suggest Magic TV to open source their firmware / apps, I am sure we can help improve their product by 1000% XDXDXD.

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作者: sry888    時間: 2015-7-22 19:24



我都有這經驗呀，唉！

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作者: 七彩小生    時間: 2015-7-22 19:51

遙控 is not perfect. But much better than other brand.

火牛:  much better now.

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作者: secmaster    時間: 2015-7-22 19:56

我部MTV3000 08年用到衣家
只係懷過火牛同搖控

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作者: AhLex    時間: 2015-7-23 01:24

Panasonic Blu-ray HDD recorder has built-in DLNA function. It is a killer function - it just works as it is connected and seen by PC and all DLNA devices. No setting or tweaking of firmware is needed.

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作者: goodman85    時間: 2015-7-23 01:27

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作者: BEpsilon    時間: 2015-7-23 02:00

本帖最後由 BEpsilon 於 2015-7-23 03:10 編輯

同時千萬不要介意佢門市客戶服務態度欠佳。　如果因為保養部機而自己換了第三者的遙控／火牛／HDD／開關掣／線材，到要拿去修理時，請為對方的態度做好心理準備。

利申：有一部7000D-mini

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-23 12:21




    Hum, that is bad then (I never uses their CS service)

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作者: wingww    時間: 2015-7-23 20:29

用過覺得一般,同先前既8仔差唔多
但價錢就差好多

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作者: CMZ    時間: 2015-7-23 20:45




    請問係咪 Wi-Fi connect? 定係一定要插 LAN線?
但佢可以直接預錄電視咩?

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作者: BEpsilon    時間: 2015-7-23 23:50


I sincerely hope that you never need to bring your STB to the Science Park.


If you have questions, you should try to ask wklie, who has been providing great help for many members here. My thanks to wklie.

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-24 00:32




    Thanks in advance, tho honest, I do not use their shitty official remote (way too many MCE remote around), and I am sure I can solve the 12V PSU too, science park is just too far and expensive to go to compare to SSP

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作者: BEpsilon    時間: 2015-7-24 00:45


FYI...
That remote, should you need to buy a new one, is $250.
That power supply, and the ON/OFF switch at the back, is $150.
The SATA+Power combo cable is $100.

I was totally shocked.

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-24 09:14

回覆 54# BEpsilon



DIY do save $$$, and the world!

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作者: longun    時間: 2015-7-24 11:40



奇怪，有咩可能咁噤用?!

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作者: applejuice    時間: 2015-7-24 11:49


我都有二部3000健在

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作者: lnchu    時間: 2015-7-24 11:56

回覆 56# longun
1`) 用外置插電hard disk.
2) 唔好放入櫃,要空氣流通.
3) 唔睇我會remote off .
牛都未壞過,remote就死過.舊年賣走換了7000mini.

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作者: NeTZoO    時間: 2015-7-24 12:07

本帖最後由 NeTZoO 於 2015-7-24 12:11 編輯


所以有人令比貴d都推介比人用佢囉~
我都有3100d同7000D用緊,舊o個部係都唔壞,最後因為需要STREAM 功能再買7000D~

MTV另一賣點FOR老人家,唔好問我點解,總之就咁比部機老人家用,
唔駛點教佢地都識用,仲要唔係個別例子

仲有網上預約錄影,究竟有邊一部仲呢d功能?
android/ios apps remote,唔駛對紅外線,一部放廳而hdmi 延長入房一樣可以控制廳部機,不知幾方便~

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作者: bluejays    時間: 2015-7-24 19:13

仲有而家8000d提的now同cable分享功能，解決咗好多人想係房睇廳部now同cable的煩惱。

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作者: urgent2    時間: 2015-7-24 20:46

回覆 56# longun


    我部3000健在，只係懷過搖控，現用$50代用搖控。

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作者: AhLex    時間: 2015-7-24 21:37

回覆 51# CMZ

DMR-BW880.

This thing is capable of eating live TV programs into its internal 500GHDD, in native 1080i or in lower resolution with compression.  I use Windows 7/8 to pull out the recorded shows in ts files through dlna back into my PC for editing.  All channels and subtitles are intact.  

But I have not seen it available in HK chain stores for a long time.

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作者: wct    時間: 2015-7-24 21:56


我果部mtv3000,都係08奧運時買，啱啱3個月前先壞，換咗3200。當然年1800買，用咗8年，平均2xx一年，電子野真係算奇蹟。

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作者: wct    時間: 2015-7-24 22:04


呢啲先係 user friendly。
我隻電器白痴老虎都舞得佢掂，不能不講個服字。

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作者: CMZ    時間: 2015-7-25 00:16




    thx
今時今日想正正常常搵部錄影機都難, 仲要可以拎出嚟電腦 edit就難上加難
應該都要幾千蚊一部?

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-25 01:35




    I do have to agree they did a good job on the UI design, their design is very intuitive to many HKers. (I personally thinks it can get better, but no complains from family senior members)

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作者: kadon    時間: 2015-7-25 02:53

仲有乜嘢要錄影??

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-25 04:49




    lots, not all shows are replay-able on web, especially some old reply shows.

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作者: Offer    時間: 2015-7-25 07:19




    呢個先係重點呀，個UI真的寫得不錯，節日仲有幾特別的logo出現

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作者: AhLex    時間: 2015-7-25 09:16

My MagicTV 3000's 搖控 melt 3 years ago, literally, after it was shelved unused for months.
The sticky rubber coat glued it to everything it touched. It was disgusting.
Thank you MagicTV.

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2015-7-25 09:46



I've no idea about the CS quality but the location (Science Park) is indeed pretty bad.  That's the reason why I did not buy the extended warranty package.

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2015-7-25 09:48



Its UI is the best in the market!

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作者: wklie    時間: 2015-7-25 12:05



I found it puzzling that there are many many people who feel there's no need to record nowadays.  Many of my computer science classmates don't understand why people still buy recorders, they seem to think that everything can be found on the internet so recorders are obsolete...

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作者: longun    時間: 2015-7-25 12:30

Agree, I had the same finding too. Non of my colleagues record tv programs. People seems mostly prefer to download from the internet, lesser and lesser people are willing to record tv programs.

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作者: CMZ    時間: 2015-7-25 12:45




    咁網上嘅嘢又係響邊樹嚟？直接問電視台拎？
會唔會係用啲更專業嘅錄影機錄？
自己錄點都快過上網搵同DL啩，仲有畫質呢？
有錯請更正

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作者: NeTZoO    時間: 2015-7-25 13:00

未用過既人係唔會知,佢個REMOTE 制個形狀同畫面顯示(提示)就一樣,
呢個係一個老人家話我聽,呢個我估係其中一個佢地覺得好用既原因~

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作者: NeTZoO    時間: 2015-7-25 13:04



呢D原因先至係千金難買~
另外有好多真正USER唔係同住,由其老人家,買比佢用唔通下下上門教咩!

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作者: Midas    時間: 2015-7-25 14:22

我自己屋企， 父母屋企，外父屋企加埋應該有十幾部 MTV， 一部都冇壞過！ 小問題喺有， 例如個 HHD crash， 冇曬啲錄影！ 去過一次 science park trade-in 買嘢！ 帶埋個 sticky back remote 去換！ 初頭佢地唔肯換， 話過咗保養期， 我好有禮貌同佢地講解 ISO 國際保養條例， 個前臺小姐入去問咗之後終於換個新的比我！

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作者: wct    時間: 2015-7-25 15:31


就好似7人車咁，又貴又唔型，但就係我地班佬的唯一選擇。
其實一間公司最緊要知道自己啲客要咩，畀到貨嘅，生意就長做長有。唔好好高務遠，做好本份，雖然發唔到達，不過要搵餐安樂茶飯唔會太難。

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作者: thomasc5    時間: 2015-7-25 17:43

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作者: KinChungE    時間: 2015-7-25 18:37



如果有好既軟件, 取代到MTV一D都唔難
問題係市面下不論paid / free既軟/硬件, 冇一件做到Magic TV咁易用

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-25 19:00




    I personally feel the same, anyway many of these content are not find-able, or at least not in good quality.

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-25 19:02




    Not at all, can't compare with a settop box you can buy at a local electronic store, honest, $1xxx for a good recording box isn't expensive, how much did we paid for our "smart"phone? how much was 500g of beef price raised in pass 10 years?

Just my 2 cents.

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作者: samam    時間: 2015-7-25 20:18

我買咗7000DMini年幾, 真係幾好用, 最鍾意佢個節目表, 一目了然, 一按即可以多功能錄影, 特別佢個省電功能, 每晚瞓覺set佢進入休眠狀態, 部機熱都唔熱, 夠安全, 因我怕死 出街又可遙距錄影, 真係冇買錯, 但唔知點解聽人講Mini唔再出?

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作者: simontang    時間: 2015-7-25 21:00


.....ISO 國際保養條例...... 真有其事? 願師兄講解一下好嗎? 謝謝!

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作者: thomasc5    時間: 2015-7-26 01:24

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作者: thomasc5    時間: 2015-7-26 01:41

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-26 13:38



That is not a correct comparison.

User still pay same amount for a entry level computer set at almost same price (or more, look at the iMac line up) , the only thing that has change was the hardware config, not the usage.

The computer set you mention is a tool  for user to archive their need, the Intel computer stick is just like a basic calculator nowadays,  which you would have only pay a fraction of the price of a full computer set to it simply because I can only do fraction of the functions of the full set.

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作者: thomasc5    時間: 2015-7-26 14:24

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-26 14:47




    It honestly does not matter much, it does more than what a Apple II did, but user still only uses fraction of it anyway.

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作者: cyleung19    時間: 2015-7-26 15:35



笑左！你咁講MTV隻大牛龜加陳年晶片應該賣幾錢？？

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作者: wct    時間: 2015-7-26 22:09


將XBMC, MythTV入面大部分普通人用唔着嘅function cut晒佢，將佢轉到簡單易用就得。但咁樣做，佢地全強大之處就冇咗，同埋你嘅反應可以會係“點解同MTV一樣嘅“

via HKEPC Reader for Android

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作者: domeso    時間: 2015-7-27 00:19




    Sorry, I do not get which part was funny.

What I mean is, user pays almost same for a new set top box to fit their needs as 10 years ago, and there is nothing wrong for manufacturer to sell them as same price.

of coz one can go Ap Liu street and buy a second hand Magic TV and it work "almost" the same as the new ones at much cheaper cost (I personally do that, most of my MTVs are second hand repaired, I only ever paid for a couple first hand ones from Broadway).

The $1xxx not only comes with the HW, but the software that comes with it, the warranty (which some user already mention they were not very good).

Yes HW price dropped, MTV did improved their chipsets and tuners, not significant but they did (menu are faster with faster CPU, tuner were more stable), they learnt their lessons and changed the PSU/Remote sources, they provided update firmware to bug fix, support new function to their products (HKTV support, MHEG5 support) (which tho, I think they can do better on their firmware, look at the hacking MagicTV post).

MTV did sell something improved other than same HW 10 years back, like Apple was selling an Apple II 30 years back and Mac mini now at almost same price.

All I was trying to point out is, things don't fall down from the sky, try to appreciate what engineer make and it is not an easy job.

Someone thinks a $1xxx set top box is very expensive, someone else thinks it is fair,  someone go for second hand $2xx ones which still works well, there is no right or wrong.

The fact is, user pay for what they think is worth and they are still buying it, the need and demand is still there (given almost ALL newer TV comes with basic recording functions), no doubt MTV did a great job and some user would still like to pay for.

I do not work at /for MTV, but I appreciate their local development, and I do enjoy their UX of the product.

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作者: friendhtc    時間: 2015-7-27 05:03

買左用緊
真心好用！

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作者: goodman85    時間: 2015-7-27 16:12

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作者: hkaiw    時間: 2015-7-27 17:55

但是我家中為例，8000D反而熱過7000D。

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作者: alanchan2010    時間: 2015-7-27 18:15

我個部 mtv3000用到而家都未壞

(Sent from EPC Pocket iPhone app)

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作者: 清明上河圖    時間: 2015-7-27 20:22




有！ 其中一條喺： 就算你個產品停產， 自停產日，工廠必須要保持最少5年  spare parts for that particular product！當然， 唔喺所有公司都有本事做得到！ 尤其喺啲細公司！

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作者: CMZ    時間: 2015-7-27 21:55

本帖最後由 CMZ 於 2015-7-27 21:57 編輯

回覆 98# 清明上河圖

留 5年 parts, 好似有啲天方夜譚
咁如果真係用晒，唔通真係要特登訂過啲 parts 為咗整翻一隻停產嘅產品？
仲未計放咗 5年啲 parts 仲用唔用得，有冇生銹
唔知有冇真實個案？

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作者: 清明上河圖    時間: 2015-7-28 00:32

本帖最後由 清明上河圖 於 2015-7-28 00:40 編輯

回覆 99# CMZ

當公司嘅產品平均有 90% margin 時候， 有幾天方夜譚呢？  

唔好再問喇！ 喺有咁嘅條例， 不過做唔到唔駛死， 好似香港消費條例也話明，唔需要任何原因都可以退貨， 外國得，點解香港唔得？